TOPIC: Ten Token Challenge

Silence is.

Silence 15' Radius on the other hand........

bpsymington wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: May I present: Illien, Bard Troubadour, Bane of Grind DMs:

Briano's Blessed Bodhran
Cloak of Blending
RoSP Complete - Voucher - Bard Troubadour
Ring of Spell Storing

With these 4 tokens the Bard Troubour is able to cast Enhanced Bardsong in up to 3 rooms (4 with Cleric's Restore Spell).

In round 1 in each of these rooms Illien casts Enhance Bardsong with Briano's granting:
+4 to hit, +6 to damage for the party.

In subsequent rounds, Illien chooses whether to continue as is or switch to no instrument and Song of Support, granting either of:
+4 to hit +6 to damage for the party
or
+2 to hit, +2 to damage, +2 to AC, and +2 to saves for the party

Illien may never be targeted by a monster, as he's wearing Cloak of Blending and not performing an "offensive action."

Illien has 6 open token slots still, which could be used to make him super duper hard to get even with AOE or non targeted abilities (Charm of Broocking, Pharacus Greater Cloak, Khing's Ring of Supreme Evasion, Boots of the Marauder, Gloves of Glory, SRoEC, Ioun Stone Topaz Trilliant, etc.)

Monster casts SILENCE.

Sure - good think we've got Scroll Mind Blank (apparently it worked in the Beholder combat?)

You could use Ioun Stone Violet Prism as well.

Broadly I think "silence" is too cheap for all but an extremely occasional effect. If I'm playing grind and every room has a way to silence spellcasters, it will probably be the last time I play grind, unless every room is also populated with flying monsters who are immune to non-magical missiles.

Matthew Hayward wrote: May I present: Illien, Bard Troubadour, Bane of Grind DMs:

Briano's Blessed Bodhran
Cloak of Blending
RoSP Complete - Voucher - Bard Troubadour
Ring of Spell Storing

With these 4 tokens the Bard Troubour is able to cast Enhanced Bardsong in up to 3 rooms (4 with Cleric's Restore Spell).

In round 1 in each of these rooms Illien casts Enhance Bardsong with Briano's granting:
+4 to hit, +6 to damage for the party.

In subsequent rounds, Illien chooses whether to continue as is or switch to no instrument and Song of Support, granting either of:
+4 to hit +6 to damage for the party
or
+2 to hit, +2 to damage, +2 to AC, and +2 to saves for the party

Illien may never be targeted by a monster, as he's wearing Cloak of Blending and not performing an "offensive action."

Illien has 6 open token slots still, which could be used to make him super duper hard to get even with AOE or non targeted abilities (Charm of Broocking, Pharacus Greater Cloak, Khing's Ring of Supreme Evasion, Boots of the Marauder, Gloves of Glory, SRoEC, Ioun Stone Topaz Trilliant, etc.)

So we did use the Cloak of Blending on our Bard in the first successful Epic event. It does not make one immune from attack it only prevents attack via vision. If the monster can sense the player another way (tremor sense, true sight, etc.) the player gets attacked.

Cloak of Blending

"However, some creatures are capable of locating prey via non-visual means, including scent or sound. This cloak does not provide protection against non-visual detection."

Ed

MasterED wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: May I present: Illien, Bard Troubadour, Bane of Grind DMs:

Briano's Blessed Bodhran
Cloak of Blending
RoSP Complete - Voucher - Bard Troubadour
Ring of Spell Storing

With these 4 tokens the Bard Troubour is able to cast Enhanced Bardsong in up to 3 rooms (4 with Cleric's Restore Spell).

In round 1 in each of these rooms Illien casts Enhance Bardsong with Briano's granting:
+4 to hit, +6 to damage for the party.

In subsequent rounds, Illien chooses whether to continue as is or switch to no instrument and Song of Support, granting either of:
+4 to hit +6 to damage for the party
or
+2 to hit, +2 to damage, +2 to AC, and +2 to saves for the party

Illien may never be targeted by a monster, as he's wearing Cloak of Blending and not performing an "offensive action."

Illien has 6 open token slots still, which could be used to make him super duper hard to get even with AOE or non targeted abilities (Charm of Broocking, Pharacus Greater Cloak, Khing's Ring of Supreme Evasion, Boots of the Marauder, Gloves of Glory, SRoEC, Ioun Stone Topaz Trilliant, etc.)

So we did use the Cloak of Blending on our Bard in the first successful Epic event. It does not make one immune from attack it only prevents attack via vision. If the monster can sense the player another way (tremor sense, true sight, etc.) the player gets attacked.

Cloak of Blending

"However, some creatures are capable of locating prey via non-visual means, including scent or sound. This cloak does not provide protection against non-visual detection."

Ed

How did the bard end up being targeted

MetaphoricDragon wrote:

MasterED wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: May I present: Illien, Bard Troubadour, Bane of Grind DMs:

Briano's Blessed Bodhran
Cloak of Blending
RoSP Complete - Voucher - Bard Troubadour
Ring of Spell Storing

With these 4 tokens the Bard Troubour is able to cast Enhanced Bardsong in up to 3 rooms (4 with Cleric's Restore Spell).

In round 1 in each of these rooms Illien casts Enhance Bardsong with Briano's granting:
+4 to hit, +6 to damage for the party.

In subsequent rounds, Illien chooses whether to continue as is or switch to no instrument and Song of Support, granting either of:
+4 to hit +6 to damage for the party
or
+2 to hit, +2 to damage, +2 to AC, and +2 to saves for the party

Illien may never be targeted by a monster, as he's wearing Cloak of Blending and not performing an "offensive action."

Illien has 6 open token slots still, which could be used to make him super duper hard to get even with AOE or non targeted abilities (Charm of Broocking, Pharacus Greater Cloak, Khing's Ring of Supreme Evasion, Boots of the Marauder, Gloves of Glory, SRoEC, Ioun Stone Topaz Trilliant, etc.)

So we did use the Cloak of Blending on our Bard in the first successful Epic event. It does not make one immune from attack it only prevents attack via vision. If the monster can sense the player another way (tremor sense, true sight, etc.) the player gets attacked.

Cloak of Blending

"However, some creatures are capable of locating prey via non-visual means, including scent or sound. This cloak does not provide protection against non-visual detection."

Ed

How did the bard end up being targeted

Eric hates Bards.

MetaphoricDragon wrote:

MasterED wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: May I present: Illien, Bard Troubadour, Bane of Grind DMs:

Briano's Blessed Bodhran
Cloak of Blending
RoSP Complete - Voucher - Bard Troubadour
Ring of Spell Storing

With these 4 tokens the Bard Troubour is able to cast Enhanced Bardsong in up to 3 rooms (4 with Cleric's Restore Spell).

In round 1 in each of these rooms Illien casts Enhance Bardsong with Briano's granting:
+4 to hit, +6 to damage for the party.

In subsequent rounds, Illien chooses whether to continue as is or switch to no instrument and Song of Support, granting either of:
+4 to hit +6 to damage for the party
or
+2 to hit, +2 to damage, +2 to AC, and +2 to saves for the party

Illien may never be targeted by a monster, as he's wearing Cloak of Blending and not performing an "offensive action."

Illien has 6 open token slots still, which could be used to make him super duper hard to get even with AOE or non targeted abilities (Charm of Broocking, Pharacus Greater Cloak, Khing's Ring of Supreme Evasion, Boots of the Marauder, Gloves of Glory, SRoEC, Ioun Stone Topaz Trilliant, etc.)

So we did use the Cloak of Blending on our Bard in the first successful Epic event. It does not make one immune from attack it only prevents attack via vision. If the monster can sense the player another way (tremor sense, true sight, etc.) the player gets attacked.

Cloak of Blending

"However, some creatures are capable of locating prey via non-visual means, including scent or sound. This cloak does not provide protection against non-visual detection."

Ed

How did the bard end up being targeted

By a monster with Scent, Blindsense, Tremorsense, Echolocation, or Detect Invisibility.

Silence is whatever we need it to be.

Besides, a spell is neither a melee nor a ranged attack, so the Cloak wouldn't apply.

tokendb.com/token/cloak-of-blending/

bpsymington wrote: Besides, a spell is neither a melee nor a ranged attack, so the Cloak wouldn't apply.

tokendb.com/token/cloak-of-blending/

Clearly AoE attacks bypass the Cloak - fireball, chain lightning, breath weapons, poison gas, etc.


But something like magic missile which is single target as well?

Harlax wrote:

bpsymington wrote: Besides, a spell is neither a melee nor a ranged attack, so the Cloak wouldn't apply.

tokendb.com/token/cloak-of-blending/

Clearly AoE attacks bypass the Cloak - fireball, chain lightning, breath weapons, poison gas, etc.


But something like magic missile which is single target as well?

Hmmm. the real question is is a spell a ranged attack. We do seem to be going in that direction - the Sniper Specs give +3 to ranged attacks, and they have been ruled to apply to sliding spells.

I would rule a Cloak of Blending would not affect AoE spells, and I consider Silence an AoE spell (the Beholder's Silence attack was a targeted ray attack). I would also rule that targeted spells like ray attacks or magic missile would be affected by the Cloak.

Before any further adventures (like GHC) I will get clarification from TPTB.

bpsymington wrote:

Harlax wrote:

bpsymington wrote: Besides, a spell is neither a melee nor a ranged attack, so the Cloak wouldn't apply.

tokendb.com/token/cloak-of-blending/

Clearly AoE attacks bypass the Cloak - fireball, chain lightning, breath weapons, poison gas, etc.


But something like magic missile which is single target as well?

Hmmm. the real question is is a spell a ranged attack. We do seem to be going in that direction - the Sniper Specs give +3 to ranged attacks, and they have been ruled to apply to sliding spells.

I would rule a Cloak of Blending would not affect AoE spells, and I consider Silence an AoE spell (the Beholder's Silence attack was a targeted ray attack). I would also rule that targeted spells like ray attacks or magic missile would be affected by the Cloak.

Before any further adventures (like GHC) I will get clarification from TPTB.

This was the exact reason I felt every token/spell should be classified on an attack type. I made a classification table and sent it to TPTB. Unfortunately, it has not been implemented yet (that I am aware of).

Ed

MasterED wrote:

bpsymington wrote:

Harlax wrote:

bpsymington wrote: Besides, a spell is neither a melee nor a ranged attack, so the Cloak wouldn't apply.

tokendb.com/token/cloak-of-blending/

Clearly AoE attacks bypass the Cloak - fireball, chain lightning, breath weapons, poison gas, etc.


But something like magic missile which is single target as well?

Hmmm. the real question is is a spell a ranged attack. We do seem to be going in that direction - the Sniper Specs give +3 to ranged attacks, and they have been ruled to apply to sliding spells.

I would rule a Cloak of Blending would not affect AoE spells, and I consider Silence an AoE spell (the Beholder's Silence attack was a targeted ray attack). I would also rule that targeted spells like ray attacks or magic missile would be affected by the Cloak.

Before any further adventures (like GHC) I will get clarification from TPTB.

This was the exact reason I felt every token/spell should be classified on an attack type. I made a classification table and sent it to TPTB. Unfortunately, it has not been implemented yet (that I am aware of).

Ed

Do you mean have that info included in the TdB?

Would you send a copy of your table to me?