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On Reprint URs 6 years 7 months ago #25

Incognito wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Neither of these solves the problem (fiscal concerns of new and existing collectors misaligned).

Creating a functional replacement craters the value of the original just as effectively as a reprint (moreso in many cases, ask anyone who owned a UR +2 weapon before the Viper Strike Fang).

Arguing that a classic token can't be reprinted due to balance reasons is I think disingenuous, if it's so bad it should be nerfed or errated. Simply keeping a broken token with those who got there first does not make for a good situation in the player base.


I am in favor of LOTS of nerfing....

Viper Strike Fangs
Relic/Legendary Bows
Mighty Bows
Gloves of the Flying Fist
Lenses of Divine Sight
Eldritch set healing
Cloak of Shadowskin
Druegar's Death Die
Artifacts (particularly those with no or minimal drawbacks)
Offhand sleaze
Polymorph sleaze
Thrown weapon sleaze
Monk/Ranger dual weapon sleaze



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On Reprint URs 6 years 7 months ago #26

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Can you define Thrown weapon & Monk/Ranger dual weapon sleaze. I'm not familiar with those two?
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On Reprint URs 6 years 7 months ago #27

The other thing is doing a couple reprints each year of tokens that people are really looking for is sure to drive token sales.
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On Reprint URs 6 years 7 months ago #28

jedibcg wrote: There is one option that I am NOT advocating but would keep collection values more stable that it doesn't appear you have considered. If all tokens were available as PYP all the time. Collection values would take a one time dip but then would be locked at your $95 per UR (more or less at some UR's are more desirable than others. Again not advocating it but it would prevent the need for reprints because everything would be in print.


Truthfully, I think this would overall lower sales. People would feel less 'urgency' at getting a PYP before it was no longer available. They would more likely put off tokens purchases until they really needed them, or when they had more money, etc. etc. A day that would never come.
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On Reprint URs 6 years 7 months ago #29

Picc wrote: Can you define Thrown weapon & Monk/Ranger dual weapon sleaze. I'm not familiar with those two?


Both involve using the +hit/damage for one superior weapon (which is written on the party card) and then using other weapons (such as the Monk/Ranger's secondary weapon or using lesser thrown weapons after you throw your big weapon).

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On Reprint URs 6 years 7 months ago #30

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balthasar wrote: Lowering the price of OOP tokens affects a small portion of the community. If there are going to be identical reprints, making them cost more benefits that same small portion. Yeah, that portion accounts for a decent portion of token sales, but they are already getting bonuses based on the size of their purchases.

Jeff can print functionally identical tokens and keep that small portion happy while not having to worry about propping up the prices of collections. I would prefer that there be a 2-3 year break after a token goes out of print before reprinting. Keep the reprints at 3(?) per year and give everyone notice one year before the token comes back into print.


+1. This is a non-issue for such a large part of our community. I hope Jeff continues to reprint tokens because they're right for gameplay.
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On Reprint URs 6 years 7 months ago #31

I'm neutral on the reprints, but I could get behind reprints requiring two PYP choices. It would also make it cooler when you get a random one. It would make the onyx sets more desirable too.
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On Reprint URs 6 years 7 months ago #32

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Matthew Hayward wrote: Longtime collectors don’t want to see the value of their older UR tokens drop substantially


I guess I disagree with this premise. I have & am continuing to advocate for reprints that I already own. As long as it is a limited number (3-5 ish) as it has been, their value dropping is not that big of a deal. Most of my collection value is in Relic+. So my vote in the poll was no change.

I can understand why re-sellers would be anti-reprint though.


My thoughts exactly. I'm a buyer/seller of tokens, but I've often advocated for reprinting tokens that my group uses and I own. I have a few criteria for which tokens should be reprinted (and there are certainly exceptions to this):

1) It's been out of print awhile. I'm sure it's open for debate how long is long enough. In general, to me, if there are two equal candidates for reprinting, the one that's been out of print the longest gets the nod.

2) There are very few available in the secondary marketplace. I think you do hurt future token sales if you reprint tokens while lots of people still have lots of extras of them, as those people will be less likely to buy extras in the future.

3) The secondary price is high. This is the basic supply / demand equation. If the demand is a lot higher than supply, resulting in high prices, it's a good candidate for reprinting.

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On Reprint URs 6 years 7 months ago #33

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jedibcg wrote: There is one option that I am NOT advocating but would keep collection values more stable that it doesn't appear you have considered. If all tokens were available as PYP all the time. Collection values would take a one time dip but then would be locked at your $95 per UR (more or less at some UR's are more desirable than others. Again not advocating it but it would prevent the need for reprints because everything would be in print.


Truthfully, I think this would overall lower sales. People would feel less 'urgency' at getting a PYP before it was no longer available. They would more likely put off tokens purchases until they really needed them, or when they had more money, etc. etc. A day that would never come.


I actually think this would drastically lower sales. I think a sizeable percentage of sales is people buying extra tokens for future resale. This policy would completely eliminate that segment of the sales.

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On Reprint URs 6 years 7 months ago #34

I'm not a fan of reprints at all, but I understand why Jeff reprints some.

How's this for an idea: Make any UR that's reprinted an additional ingredient for the current year Relic?

Thoughts?

EDIT: Would probably be better to make it an additional UR for a current Legendary. This way new players have access to it without diminishing it's longer term value.
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On Reprint URs 6 years 7 months ago #35

I think you have to look more towards the newer players and not towards appreciation. This year was a tough year for combat and newer players better equipping themselves seems to be more important so they do not lose interest in the game.

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On Reprint URs 6 years 7 months ago #36

Matthew Hayward wrote: Overview of Problem

The topic of reprinting Ultrarares brings a few reasonable player perspectives into direct conflict:

  • Newer collectors want access to some of the best tokens ever printed
  • Longtime collectors don’t want to see the value of their older UR tokens drop substantially


Jeff rewards 1K orders with a tooth and 8K orders with an orb. Another option would be for Jeff to offer another token for 2K or 4K orders which could be turned-in for the choice of one of 12 older tokens which Jeff picks each year. This would allow newer players who want to support TD get more than the current PYP's. Demand would dictate how many of the older tokens would be exchanged for. There would only be small amounts of these older tokens brought back, so the value of the existing ones would not drop back down to PYP prices. Like teeth and orbs, there would probably be one in a treasure box somewhere, so anyone could possibly get one -- even if they cannot afford a 2K or 4K order. Limiting it to only a specific # of tokens (unlike the one which gives any token back to a specific year) allows Jefff to make sure he has some and keeps ones he might consider broken out of the mix.

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