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TOPIC: What is a Ranged Spell Anyway?

What is a Ranged Spell Anyway? 6 years 10 months ago #1

Spells requiring a slide are ranged attacks, as per the DMG page 7.

I'm seeking clarity on a few rules for Ranged Attacks.

Bardsong damage bonuses apply to ranged attacks - including damage bonuses from the Instrument so long as the Instrument affects ranged attacks.

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=594&id=244037&start=24#267850

Are any non-slid spells Ranged attacks, e.g.:

Are any of:
  • Bard: Sonic Dart
  • Bard: Soundburst
  • Cleric: Searing Light
  • Cleric Templar: Sunburst
  • Druid: Call Lightning
  • Druid: Firebolt
  • Druid: Freezing Orb
  • Elf Wizard: Acid Splash
  • Elf Wizard: Fireball
  • Elf Wizard, Wizard: Magic Missile
  • Elf Wizard: Shocking Grasp
  • Elf Wizard Illusionist: Glow Orb
  • Elf Wizard Illusionist: Prismatic Spray
  • Wizard: Burning Hands
  • Wizard: Fire Dart
  • Wizard: Frost Dart
  • Wizard: Lightning Storm
  • Wizard Sorcerer: Stone Storm

Ranged attacks?

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What is a Ranged Spell Anyway? 6 years 10 months ago #2

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Bardsong bonuses do not apply to spells unless the caster is wearing the Earcuff of Inspiration.
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What is a Ranged Spell Anyway? 6 years 10 months ago #3

bpsymington wrote: Bardsong bonuses do not apply to spells unless the caster is wearing the Earcuff of Inspiration.


That's not what you said 7 months ago during token design, and it's not what Jeff said either at that time.

bpsymington wrote: No, they are saying it's 22, 18 from the spell, +4 from the bardsong whether or not you wear the earcuff.
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If you are not wearing the earcuff, bardsong applies ONLY to SLIDING spells.

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=594&id=244037&start=24#267850

Also, the DMG says:
"Spells cast from the player's character card benefit from any ranged To Hit bonuses the character is entitled to."

on page 7.

www.truedungeon.com/newsletter/dmg.pdf



Can you clarify the rules and/or what you are trying to say here?

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Matthew Hayward wrote:

bpsymington wrote: Bardsong bonuses do not apply to spells unless the caster is wearing the Earcuff of Inspiration.


That's not what you said 7 months ago during token design, and it's not what Jeff said either at that time.

bpsymington wrote: No, they are saying it's 22, 18 from the spell, +4 from the bardsong whether or not you wear the earcuff.
...
If you are not wearing the earcuff, bardsong applies ONLY to SLIDING spells.

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=594&id=244037&start=24#267850

Also, the DMG says:
"Spells cast from the player's character card benefit from any ranged To Hit bonuses the character is entitled to."

on page 7.


www.truedungeon.com/newsletter/dmg.pdf



Can you clarify the rules and/or what you are trying to say here?


Eh, what do I know? I'm tired and my brain is on the fritz. Nice search-fu!
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What is a Ranged Spell Anyway? 6 years 10 months ago #5

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Okay, the DMG says:

Bardsong affects both melee and ranged attack slides (including spells requiring a slide) as well as physical (but not spell) damage.

Apparently at the time it was decided that ranged spells get the bardsong damage bonus as well (Sorry, I haven't DMed in a long time!).

It also defines a ranged spell as a spell requiring a slide.

Non-sliding spells would therefore not be considered ranged attacks, and would not get the image bonus unless equipping the Earcuff.
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What is a Ranged Spell Anyway? 6 years 10 months ago #6

Brian,

It's understandable, there are a lot of rules and some of them aren't always obvious. Thanks for always helping!

So I think it is clear that sliding spells are ranged attacks, where non-sliding spells are not. Or is this inconsistent somewhere?
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Kirk Bauer wrote: Brian,

It's understandable, there are a lot of rules and some of them aren't always obvious. Thanks for always helping!

So I think it is clear that sliding spells are ranged attacks, were non-sliding spells are not. Or is this inconsistent somewhere?


If there's an inconsistency somewhere, someone point it out! :laugh:
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What is a Ranged Spell Anyway? 6 years 10 months ago #8

Kirk Bauer wrote: Brian,

It's understandable, there are a lot of rules and some of them aren't always obvious. Thanks for always helping!

So I think it is clear that sliding spells are ranged attacks, where non-sliding spells are not. Or is this inconsistent somewhere?


I'm just trying to understand which spells are ranged attacks.

If the answer is: "spells which require a slide" that's OK, but super confusing, as in what world is Magic Missile not a ranged attack?

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What is a Ranged Spell Anyway? 6 years 10 months ago #9

This problem came about years ago when they decided to redefine ranged attacks. In the old days, DEX did not give +hit bonuses to sliding spells but they changed that awhile back, leading to issues with the Bardsong.

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What is a Ranged Spell Anyway? 6 years 10 months ago #10

From a DM perspective, at least it is easy to remember that anything with a puck on the table gets to-hit and bardsong bonuses.
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What is a Ranged Spell Anyway? 6 years 10 months ago #11

Kirk Bauer wrote: From a DM perspective, at least it is easy to remember that anything with a puck on the table gets to-hit and bardsong bonuses.


Nope!

Ghost pucks (from the Shirt of Spiritward), extra pucks from the Dagger of Arcane Luck, and Summoned polymorph tokens all do not get to-hit and bardsong bonuses! :P :P :P

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What is a Ranged Spell Anyway? 6 years 10 months ago #12

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Kirk Bauer wrote: From a DM perspective, at least it is easy to remember that anything with a puck on the table gets to-hit and bardsong bonuses.


Nope!

Ghost pucks (from the Shirt of Spiritward), extra pucks from the Dagger of Arcane Luck, and Summoned polymorph tokens all do not get to-hit and bardsong bonuses! :P :P :P


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