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TOPIC: Druids Can Use Crown of Elemental Mastery?

Druids Can Use Crown of Elemental Mastery? 6 years 11 months ago #1

During token development, I recall that Jeff decided to change the name of the Circlet of Elemental Mastery into a Crown. But I do not recall any mention of expanding access to Druids.

Looking at the saved images of the token proofs, I also don't see Druids listed at all:

ultra05.jpg from 2017 Ultra Rares (3.0)
ultrax.jpg from 2017 Ultra Rare Token Images <final!

simply have no class listed at all.

But I thought that the general understanding was that this was just a reprint of the Circlet.

So when did the Druids get added?

Also, is anyone else a bit annoyed that what used to be a Wizard-only token is now been encroached upon by the (already overpowered) Druid?



Then again, I have the same issue with the Shirt of the Fae (new version of Druid's Wild Vestments) being usable by everyone (though its mainly the Wizards that can newly benefit from the polymorph effect - unless the other classes end up as a DUCK!).

It feels like classes are getting more and more diluted....

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Druids Can Use Crown of Elemental Mastery? 6 years 11 months ago #2

I don't recall Druids being mentioned at all.

I do recall the name change being for aesthetic and not functional reasons (people know a crown goes on your head slot).

My recall on both points may be off ;).

I'm not especially annoyed because it makes the token more valuable to traders and collectors - although if I owned the old Circlet I might be bummed as it's strictly worse (although that appears to be the case in TDb for Druid's Wild Vestments and Shirt of the Fae - but only after substantial rules text to clarify that "no restrictions" actually means "all the restrictions except you can talk and cast spells and issue command words.")

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Druids Can Use Crown of Elemental Mastery? 6 years 11 months ago #3

So,

Druids got helped by the crown, but merged by the shirt change.

Wizards lost nothing in the crown change, but are now able to wear the shirt which gives them something they didn't have before at all.

I don't know, it seems OK to me.

That said, I've only ever played druid once and never wizard, so what do I know?
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Druids Can Use Crown of Elemental Mastery? 6 years 11 months ago #4

In both cases, it seems like the goal is to make tokens accessible by as many classes as makes sense. It makes sense that Wizards would have access to a polymorph shirt, and it also makes sense that a Druid would have access to Elemental control.

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Druids Can Use Crown of Elemental Mastery? 6 years 11 months ago #5

Mike Steele wrote: In both cases, it seems like the goal is to make tokens accessible by as many classes as makes sense. It makes sense that Wizards would have access to a polymorph shirt, and it also makes sense that a Druid would have access to Elemental control.


In that case, I propose that the Coronet of the Arch-Druid be errata'ed to allow Wizards to be able to use it.

And that the Staves of Focus be errata'ed to add polymorph damage.

I'm sure there will be at least one Druid (formerly Wizard) who will agree with me! :P

How about you Mike? Would you be in favor of those two proposed changes (Coronet & Staves of Focus)?

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Druids Can Use Crown of Elemental Mastery? 6 years 11 months ago #6

Wade Schwendemann wrote: So,

Druids got helped by the crown, but merged by the shirt change.

Wizards lost nothing in the crown change, but are now able to wear the shirt which gives them something they didn't have before at all.

I don't know, it seems OK to me.

That said, I've only ever played druid once and never wizard, so what do I know?


No, Wizards end up the worst off. Then Druids. And everyone else gets a benefit.


Druid-only token: Druid's Wild Vestments
Wizard-only token: Circlet of Elemental Mastery

Everyone else benefits because they now have access to the Wild Vestments (technically: a better version of it)
Druid loses the specialness of the Wild Vestments, but they gain access to the Circlet
Wizard loses the specialness of the Circlet. They do not gain anything that any of the other non-Druid, non-Wizard classes get.


So Wizards actually do get it worse.

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Druids Can Use Crown of Elemental Mastery? 6 years 11 months ago #7

Incognito wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: In both cases, it seems like the goal is to make tokens accessible by as many classes as makes sense. It makes sense that Wizards would have access to a polymorph shirt, and it also makes sense that a Druid would have access to Elemental control.


In that case, I propose that the Coronet of the Arch-Druid be errata'ed to allow Wizards to be able to use it.

And that the Staves of Focus be errata'ed to add polymorph damage.

I'm sure there will be at least one Druid (formerly Wizard) who will agree with me! :P

How about you Mike? Would you be in favor of those two proposed changes (Coronet & Staves of Focus)?


I didn't say I approved of the changes, I was just saying why they might have happened. It seems a trend even with newer tokens that they are opened up to more classes than they might have been previously. I was actually not in favor of the change to the polymorph shirt, because it was one of the only Druid-only tokens in the game. I wasn't aware of the Crown of Elemental Mastery change, it won't affect me since I've got the Dragonscale set. I don't think the change to the Crown/Circlet impacts the Wizards as strongly as the shirt does Druids, as they have a TON of Wizard-unique tokens.

To be honest, I wasn't in favor of the Elf-Wizard having a Polymorph specialty to begin with, as that was pretty much the unique defining characteristic of the Druid.

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Druids Can Use Crown of Elemental Mastery? 6 years 11 months ago #8

I understand the desire to make URs that are universally desired, but I think it's a short-term strategy that doesn't have long-term value. Eventually we will have lost too much of the flavor of the different classes. Additionally we will have trouble coming up with new tokens since there will already be so many options for every class.
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Druids Can Use Crown of Elemental Mastery? 6 years 11 months ago #9

Incognito wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: In both cases, it seems like the goal is to make tokens accessible by as many classes as makes sense. It makes sense that Wizards would have access to a polymorph shirt, and it also makes sense that a Druid would have access to Elemental control.


In that case, I propose that the Coronet of the Arch-Druid be errata'ed to allow Wizards to be able to use it.

And that the Staves of Focus be errata'ed to add polymorph damage.

I'm sure there will be at least one Druid (formerly Wizard) who will agree with me! :P

How about you Mike? Would you be in favor of those two proposed changes (Coronet & Staves of Focus)?


I know you were asking Mike, but I would be. Particularly for the staves.

I would also have been fine if druids couldn't use the new token.
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Druids Can Use Crown of Elemental Mastery? 6 years 11 months ago #10

Kirk Bauer wrote: I understand the desire to make URs that are universally desired, but I think it's a short-term strategy that doesn't have long-term value. Eventually we will have lost too much of the flavor of the different classes. Additionally we will have trouble coming up with new tokens since there will already be so many options for every class.


+1. Great point Kirk
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Druids Can Use Crown of Elemental Mastery? 6 years 11 months ago #11

I think the head slot is weak in general and there are not many options. Yes just recently we've tried to get more traction on attractive head options but its in need of help. I will say I was surprised to see druid on the token.
I don't care, I've given up on the OP druid LOL.


I will say, by default I happen to prefer class inclusive versus exclusive. If this means the class lines get blurred then so be it, I would argue the class lines should be reinforced at the character card level if all it takes it changing a few tokens to blur the lines that badly they must have been too thin to begin with.
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Druids Can Use Crown of Elemental Mastery? 6 years 11 months ago #12

Incognito wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: In both cases, it seems like the goal is to make tokens accessible by as many classes as makes sense. It makes sense that Wizards would have access to a polymorph shirt, and it also makes sense that a Druid would have access to Elemental control.


In that case, I propose that the Coronet of the Arch-Druid be errata'ed to allow Wizards to be able to use it.

And that the Staves of Focus be errata'ed to add polymorph damage.

I'm sure there will be at least one Druid (formerly Wizard) who will agree with me! :P

How about you Mike? Would you be in favor of those two proposed changes (Coronet & Staves of Focus)?


I definitely agree on the Wizard's staff. I see no reason the legendary BATON of focus has bonus polymorph damage and the legendary STAFF of focus does not when both classes access polymorph.

As for the Coronet, if a circlet version or something is printed I would expect the Wizard to be added to the token just like the Druid was added to the CoEM.

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